SC: The big deal? Universal pricing codes are a way of homogenizing everything in the world. They took me to the juvenile detention. Luckily, I had a relative in the Bay Area, and I had them come get me. I had a bunch of syringes on me. I had like syringes in a bag. Because I told them I was under 18 years old, they threw that out and let me go to my aunt. RM: Why did you have so many needles on you?
SC: Because I was doing a hell of a lot of heroin and cocaine and shit and syringes are the best way to do it. Are you psyched? Are you ready? SC: Am I psyched or am I ready? SC: Yeah man.
I wish I could shoot all my friends sometimes. RM: Do you think the Sex Pistols were musical innovators or a pop-top boy band? RM: What wildly inappropriate things are you gonna say on your death bed?
RM: If you could punch Tony Victory anywhere, where would you punch him? What was the message? SC: It was after the Columbine shootings. I wrote an essay about it in the Mediocre Generica art. Get over it, kids. RM: What can we expect with the upcoming Citizen Fish split? Is there gonna be a lotta ska, is it gonna be death-metally, or is it gonna be all xscenexcorex?
Less experimentation. The songs have been stewing in my head for a year. RM: Which Subhumans song? RM: I have a hypothetical situation for you. Which one do you use to wipe your ass? RM: Alright, last question. Would you like, drown a puppy or hit a woman? SC: And the circumstances were that I had to have one? RM: Out of anger? SC: No, malice. When people got too out of line and everybody hated them, they were kind of beat up, kicked out of the building, and not allowed back in. The police were never called.
The full sense of autonomy might encompass being on an island, or your own planet, or somewhere that there is no 'legal' governing force. A moderate sense of autonomy might be somewhere in the woods—or anywhere for that matter—where the police would have a hard time to get to you; for example, finding you with helicopters and airdropping cops in to get to you. Was the building you spoke of in New York or Philly? It had a building behind it, which we used to walk past, where some guy lived.
Have you heard about the garbage juice guy around ? Have you heard about Mikey and Filthy Phil? They found this guy and he was a bloated corpse, all wet and decaying. They went in his pockets and found eighty bucks.
He was in there, dead and decaying, for three weeks and no one noticed until it smelled really bad. I dug out this whole basement—8 feet—in Philly. Stza: No, it used to be that way. Philly is a poorer city, so there's more fucked-up neighborhoods there, and thus more autonomy—there's less cops in fucked-up neighborhoods. Like north Philly? Why not? Did your band start this crusty punk phenomenon? Stza: No, we did not start crusty, I merely happened to be one. How did crusty get started? Stza: I would say that it got started somewhere in the early eighties amongst political punk bands.
Rob, how did crusty get started? Rob: With the Orphans. Stza: Yes! With the Orphans. I think of them as the prototypical crustys--crustys are a cross between hippies and political punks. They were into peace, but not passive peace and love like hippies.
What do you think of that? This is one of the two cities where we have a lot of people that come to see us play. Then you at least have an army in Philadelphia, right? We are here to influence people to a certain extent.
Yet many of your songs sound like a call to arms. Stza: It is poetry. It is art. It is free speech. Or other people that are like-minded to us in what they think about the government and the police will use our lyrics to express themselves.
And it might some day in the future, like a hundred years, be a call to arms. You had a disagreement with the US Bombs over a song they wrote that you found to be homophobic. They're jus t going to see it for what it is basically, a homophobic song. For example, kids getting the idea that they should quit school and run away. Stza: I definitely think that the education system needs reform.
If anything, I think that people just fight back against that — maybe have real education instead of false education that the government insists that schools teach. So it all gets mixed in. Let laying dogs rest. Whatever, those people are all right. Read the lyrics.
But you attacked the character of Jello Biafra by calling him a cop caller.
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